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    What a Total PITA

    It is having to turn a perfectly good California MSR into a featureless rifle and try and do it in the least obnoxious and ugly manner possible. I do think I almost succeeded though.

    Will post pictures soon. No AW registration for my MSR's no matter what the cost to make them featureless.
    Last edited by lapriester; 02-04-2017, 04:48 AM.

    #2
    5 more left to go after these.
    Last edited by lapriester; 02-04-2017, 04:50 AM.

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      #3
      You have done well Larry! Those don't look bad at all. Makes me sick what my California brothers must endure.

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        #4
        Before too long, the only thing that will be legal in California is a rape whistle.

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          #5
          Those Monster Man grips on the bottom two are not bad really. They make the rifle feel like you're shooting a typical hunting rifle. But, an ambi safety is needed for ease of use since your thumb stays on the right side. The top one with the Receiver Spur is a bit weird. It will be fine off the bench squirrel hunting but as a carry gun it is a waste. The only good thing is that you can still wrap your hand web and thumb around and use the safety normally. Rather than register my rifles as AW's and giving the State entirely too much personal info they would require I can live with this. They can kiss my Arse. Besides, now I can remove the bullet buttons and have the normal mag release back.
          Last edited by lapriester; 02-05-2017, 04:31 AM.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Phos Boss View Post
            Before too long, the only thing that will be legal in California is a rape whistle.
            Yeah, but NY State is just about the same. They've been doing this for years. CA is just more publicized in the media. Watch out! They are sneaky bastards.

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              #7
              Yeah, this sucks, this state sucks.
              I'm going the other way I think, I'm just going to register my 2 ARs until we get the hell out of CA and move back to America. It's all but written in stone when the wife can retire out of the system in 9 years, we're OUT. No pistol grip is kind of a deal breaker for me personally, the whole point I bought them was to train/familiarize myself on that style firearm (only got my 1st AR in 2014, I'm an M14 guy) which would include the feel of shooting it the way it was. I know everyone's view is different and I'm probably in the minority, most friends and acquaintances I have are converting to what you're doing to get out of registering. I imagine a huge percentage will just not register or convert at all.
              They don't look too bad, plus you get out from under the thumb of the state.

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                #8
                Originally posted by m14brian View Post
                Yeah, this sucks, this state sucks.
                I'm going the other way I think, I'm just going to register my 2 ARs until we get the hell out of CA and move back to America. It's all but written in stone when the wife can retire out of the system in 9 years, we're OUT. No pistol grip is kind of a deal breaker for me personally, the whole point I bought them was to train/familiarize myself on that style firearm (only got my 1st AR in 2014, I'm an M14 guy) which would include the feel of shooting it the way it was. I know everyone's view is different and I'm probably in the minority, most friends and acquaintances I have are converting to what you're doing to get out of registering. I imagine a huge percentage will just not register or convert at all.
                They don't look too bad, plus you get out from under the thumb of the state.
                Have you seen how much personal information they want when you register? No way they are going to get all of that in order to register my rifles. I don't give that much personal information to my bank or anyone else. You trust the State of CA to keep your information safe and private? I certainly don't.

                "3) The registration shall contain a description of the firearm that identifies it uniquely, including all identification marks, the date the firearm was acquired, the name and address of the individual from whom, or business from which, the firearm was acquired, as well as the registrant’s full name, address, telephone number, date of birth, sex, height, weight, eye color, hair color, and California driver’s license number or California identification card number."

                And from what I understand there is more required. They will be requiring photos and more of each rifle even though the only true part that is required to be registered is the lower. Does that mean no swapping uppers on lowers since it won't be as pictured? I suspect so. Once it's registered it will no doubt have to be left in the picture and "uniquely, identified configuration". No way. If I sent them a picture it would be of my lowers only. How do you identify who you bought an upper from if you built the upper.

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                  #9
                  NY is horrible as well with it's "Assault Rifle = Removable magazine + at least one item from the "evil features list", such as telescoping stock, pistol grip, or my favorite, the muzzle "break". LOL! NY gun control freaks drew up the SAFE Act so hastily they didn't bother to vet the spelling (anybody surprised?). The misspelling of "muzzle brake" was challenged in court by firearms supporters and initially was stricken from the law. The state's legal goons appealed and eventually the intended meaning was granted. So now, NY Legal AR solutions involve either a fixed mag, leaving the overall "feel" of an AR b/c you still have the pistol grip and telescoping stock if necessary but you live with a somewhat annoying reload from the top. Otherwise, I've seen guns that look like those above or others that look like something out of a futuristic movie (photo in this post), each of which has an altered feel. And owners of pre-NY SAFE Act "terrible black guns" are supposed to register or sell ... Every owner I know in NY gave the big finger to that dictate from the state.

                  This PAR https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYRRzus9wto is pretty cool too.
                  Last edited by Garanditis; 02-06-2017, 10:53 PM.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by lapriester View Post

                    Have you seen how much personal information they want when you register? No way they are going to get all of that in order to register my rifles. I don't give that much personal information to my bank or anyone else. You trust the State of CA to keep your information safe and private? I certainly don't.

                    "3) The registration shall contain a description of the firearm that identifies it uniquely, including all identification marks, the date the firearm was acquired, the name and address of the individual from whom, or business from which, the firearm was acquired, as well as the registrant’s full name, address, telephone number, date of birth, sex, height, weight, eye color, hair color, and California driver’s license number or California identification card number."

                    And from what I understand there is more required. They will be requiring photos and more of each rifle even though the only true part that is required to be registered is the lower. Does that mean no swapping uppers on lowers since it won't be as pictured? I suspect so. Once it's registered it will no doubt have to be left in the picture and "uniquely, identified configuration". No way. If I sent them a picture it would be of my lowers only. How do you identify who you bought an upper from if you built the upper.
                    No Sir I don't know how much information they require, this will be my first one. I certainly don't trust the state to keep it safe.
                    The firearm info for me will be easy, I just got a complete DPMS carbine at Big 5, certainly nothing special. All the details will be on the paperwork. The DMV already has all of the other information, if any other state agency wanted it. Our doctors have even more private and detailed information, and they will share it with any "authority". Do I condone all the imposing BS, of course not. I see your points certainly. for anyone other than buying an off the shelf stock gun, the red tape seems impossible, and it is probably engineered that way. Another reason I can't wait to get out of this $hit hole. I have watched this place go from the Golden state to the pyrite state, from the envy of the nation in the '80s to the trash can that it is today. It is really just a temporary maneuver to keep my carbine at least the way it is. Someday, as soon as I have moved to a free state, back to America, I'm going to have an assault weapons party, and put all the evil parts on all of my guns, and take all the BS off. I plan on moving somewhere that their attitude is to thumb their nose at the feds. All of this is just a temporary inconvenience for me, that's why I'm trying to not let it get my blood pressure up. The real challenge is to keep this commie BS out of other states where it isn't now. The ones like CA and NY are already lost.
                    m14brian

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                      #11
                      Lots of people are creating the monster that Garanditis posted (below) but, only a few of the so called fixes such as that are "approved" to create a featureless rifle. What he pictured could VERY easily be considered a version of a thumbhole stock which is a prohibited feature. The "Monster Man grips you see on my rifles are an approved grip because you cannot wrap your thumb around it and you cannot "grip" it in that manner with the web of your hand/thumb below the trigger. In the one below you can do both.

                      If you are unlucky enough to live in CA be very careful about your investments in so called fixes to get around the "evil" features. There are lots of people selling a lot of new stuff that could get derailed when the final regs are established by the CA DOJ. They are making lots of money in the process on people that could be money badly spent. What ended up legal in NY may very well end up not being legal by 1/1/2018 in CA. With mine you can't get around the MM grips (approved) and the fixed stocks and all my uppers are featureless with no flash hiders or forward grips.

                      Below, maybe not. Sure looks like a thumbhole stock to me that you can grip below the trigger. Besides being about the ugliest thing I have ever seen. If I had to do that I'd sell them all.
                      Last edited by lapriester; 02-07-2017, 03:55 AM.

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                        #12
                        It may come down to the question "what is a thumb hole"... Since the monster pictured above really provides space, not so much a hole. But lapriester I agree that liberal courts will rule it a thumb hole if so pushed. For a NY solution, I actually prefer having similar ergonomics, and the Troy pump action rifle I supplied the link to (previous post) works better for me than the monster. It's just somewhat slower. My wife has lots of family in NY. I am screwed that way.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Garanditis View Post
                          It may come down to the question "what is a thumb hole"... Since the monster pictured above really provides space, not so much a hole. But lapriester I agree that liberal courts will rule it a thumb hole if so pushed. For a NY solution, I actually prefer having similar ergonomics, and the Troy pump action rifle I supplied the link to (previous post) works better for me than the monster. It's just somewhat slower. My wife has lots of family in NY. I am screwed that way.
                          I actually love that Troy PAR. A really cool alternative. Thanks for the link to it. I read somewhere they are, or already have, a 308 version of it. If CA keeps going I'll be selling a few of my AR's and looking into buying one. I'll just love sticking all those evil looking features in the face and down the throat of the CA lawmakers.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Phos Boss View Post
                            Before too long, the only thing that will be legal in California is a rape whistle.
                            Hate too break it too you but the plastic used too make said "Rape" whistle is on the known CA cancer causing agent list and thus can't be sold too CA residents for there own safety.... The only CA whistles that are on any approved list are made of Stainless Steal or Brass, currently they have not designated or safety tested as "RAPE" whistles. They are currently on the CA approved listing for Boating use only and can only be use in USCG or CA approved Boating emergencies or the hailing of other small craft do too CA noise regulations.


                            This public service announcement was brought too you as a reminder by, "Snow White and The Seven Dwarf's" "Whistle While You Work Co" and "The Slick As a Whistle Inc".
                            Last edited by Phil McGrath; 02-08-2017, 10:39 PM.

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                              #15
                              I now know entirely too much about CA rape whistles. Thanks for setting the record straight though.

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