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    Troubleshooting difficult clip insertion

    Hi all,

    I'm glad to find a Garand-specific forum. I hope I'm right that the real heavyweights live here and can help me resolve a few minor issues. First, some background:

    I purchased a Blue Sky import M1 from a consignment shop with a early '44 Springfield receiver and a Winchester bolt. All other parts were Springfield as far as I could tell. Well, this rifle was in SAD shape. I took it to Charlie Maloney (I'm hoping that name is familiar to many of you) for rehabilitation and a competition trigger job. The rifle got new furniture, a Criterion barrel, new op rod spring and other small bits and bobs as well as the trigger job.

    Charlie said "Don't mess with the rifle. Just shoot the d-mn thing."

    My first day at the range was kind of a mess. I was shooting Greek HXP. I discovered that I was loading the enblocs sloppily, which impeded loading and chambering the first round. I had an enbloc that ejected prematurely, after each round. I had 4 instances of double-fires. It wasn't a total disaster but it wasn't a smooth day, either. Dejected, I ordered some high quality snap caps so that I could safely troubleshoot at home.

    Ok, the premature ejection seemed to be a crummy enbloc clip. I cannot repeat the malfunction with my dummies and other clips, when cycling the rifle manually. After watching several YT videos, I do seem to have a small problem inserting clips. The clip presses downward smoothly about 2/3 of the way, then I encounter significant resistance that seems not caused by the follower spring. First, I greased the guide slots. This didn't help. I cleaned out the grease and tried a light application of gun oil. This definitely helped but it's still too difficult.

    Once a clip is finally seated, everything is so tight that I *must* give the bolt a slap to chamber the first round. There's never any danger of getting M1 thumb with this rifle. After this, the rifle seems to cycle correctly.

    As for the double fires, I'm reluctant to blame the trigger group because Charlie just re-worked it. It's a competition trigger so I know it's more sensitive. I shot at a bench with no bag, using the sling for support. I simply may not have had the stock firmly tucked into my shoulder. Charlie says that the bench and sling could well have been the cause of this. I think I was following through with my trigger pulls, not milking it.

    So let's sum up:
    1. Premature clip ejection (one time)
    2. Some instances of double firing with Greek HXP
    3. Difficulty inserting full clips

    Sorry for the long post and I appreciate your thoughts on this.

    #2
    Difficult loading is often due to inadequate lubrication, assuming the clips are properly assembled
    Highly recommend you go here and grease every location described: Greasing the M1 Garand (garandgear.com)
    Greasing the op-rod catch made loading much easier, and the well-greased rifle loaded the first round when the clip latched in. The bolt simply slid under my thumb.
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      #3
      Originally posted by Smokey View Post
      Difficult loading is often due to inadequate lubrication, assuming the clips are properly assembled
      Highly recommend you go here and grease every location described: Greasing the M1 Garand (garandgear.com)
      Greasing the op-rod catch made loading much easier, and the well-greased rifle loaded the first round when the clip latched in. The bolt simply slid under my thumb.
      Although the rifle was completely disassembled and lubricated, I will go back and lubricate the op-rod catch and see if it helps.

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        #4
        Some suggestions. Make sure follow rod is not bent. Make sure follower arm is not bent. Replace op rod spring with one from Orion 7. Remove op rod and clean inside of tube and make sure there is no debris or bits of broken op rod spring in it. Lastly what enbloc clips are you using?

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          #5
          Originally posted by RDS View Post
          Some suggestions. Make sure follow rod is not bent. Make sure follower arm is not bent. Replace op rod spring with one from Orion 7. Remove op rod and clean inside of tube and make sure there is no debris or bits of broken op rod spring in it. Lastly what enbloc clips are you using?
          Do you have any recommendations in terms of the type of enblocs to get? I thought I recalled reading somewhere that the new production ones (I guess commonly stamped with ACE3) have a thicker phosphate coating that could be a pain until they were used a few times.

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            #6
            Post WWII Borg Warner clips marked BR W are some of the best. There are many others that are excellent. Do an internet search on post WWII M1 Garand enbloc clips. WWII enbloc clips are now collectors items and prices reflect that fact.

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              #7
              Originally posted by RushTheBus View Post

              Do you have any recommendations in terms of the type of enblocs to get? I thought I recalled reading somewhere that the new production ones (I guess commonly stamped with ACE3) have a thicker phosphate coating that could be a pain until they were used a few times.
              I am having the same issues with mine. I am going to an advanced maintenance class on Wednesday so I will inquire there.

              I have several of the AEC3 clips and I felt like the park finish was rather rough. I put them in my wet tumbler for a couple hours, rinsed them good, coated with oil and let them sit for a few days. Then wiped them as dry as I could. The finish is now very smooth, it has made a bit of difference but did not resolve the issue.

              Eric

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