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    Just got my hands on a IHC Garand. After many hours on the net (MANY) I think im pretty much clear that its a early 1954 (serial number 4601190) IHC postage stamp. The stock is left side DoD stamp and circle P with 4 digits in the handguard barrel channel dating it in 1952. The barrel is LMR 2-54. Reciever is period correct as are the sights. Here is my question. The trigger housing is SA dated 1942-45. The trigger guard is WRA dated 1942 and milled. The oprod is 9 Sa model. The rifle is in great shape, wood is very nice. My question is how did the SA oprod and trigger group and trigger guard WRA get on this gun? Those parts are WWII dated parts. There are no rebuild marks. HELP!!

    #2
    It went through a rebuild sometime in its life. That receiver is from about mid 1953.
    Jon
    Last edited by TJT; 01-29-2018, 11:32 PM.

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      #3
      So they just replaced the oprod and trigger housing? WHere did you get your info?

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        #4
        From 40 years of studying, collecting and shooting the M1 rifle, that's where. YOU have a LOT to learn.
        Jon

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        • slaw0001
          slaw0001 commented
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          Look dont get an attitude. Im hear to find out about the rifle nothing more. The draw number places the gun in 1954, why did you say it was a 1953 production?

        #5
        Where did you get the rifle ? The previous owner could have been in the process of correcting the rifle before it got sold. There is no way of knowing of who, when or where the parts were swapped out. FYI, when rebuilding a rifle, the army did not care about putting the correct parts on it. The next part out the box got installed.

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        • slaw0001
          slaw0001 commented
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          Im thinking the stock , reciever, sights, barrel are original to the gun from what dating i have done. What do you think? Barrel is LMR dated 2-54, draw number of reciever dates it to 1954, the 4 digit stock number in barrell channel is 2582.... sights seem to be correct IHC/DRC its just the oprod and trigger housing/guard is WWII dated SA parts

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          #7
          Any thoughts?

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            #8
            Your rifle could have been scrambled during issue life. When guns were cleaned in mass original parts did not get put back on original rifles. Serial #4601385 has a LMR 2-54 barrel and receiver drawing number D6528291-M per "The M1 Garand: Post WWII" by Scott Duff. What color is the park on your rifle? Can you post photos? How is the bolt marked? Back in the mid 1980s I received an IHC M1 Garand from the DCM. It was a straight IHC except it had a dark brown birch stock and a WWII SA trigger group. Very common for M1 Garands and M1 carbines to have different mfg parts on them. Hence the term mixmaster. The military only cared they went bang when the trigger was pulled not who made the parts on them as parts are interchangeable . Are there any marking on the right receiver leg besides the drawing number? Also if you want to learn from the knowledgeable members of the forum just ask in a nice way a lot of members have been studying the M1s there entire adult life.

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            • slaw0001
              slaw0001 commented
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              My receiver draw number is D6528291- K? When I look it up it is not listed, H is listed, J is listed those are dated 54. The serial number is 4601190 which indicates a 53 date of manufactor. I understand , but Im not one to be treated like an idiot. Im not interested in value, selling at all. If its a mixmaster thats fine. Was just curious.....

            • slaw0001
              slaw0001 commented
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              I did ask in a nice way.... they should not treat folks on here like total idiots... i just had a honest question

            • slaw0001
              slaw0001 commented
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              So they get to talk to me as if i were a 5 year old child?

            #9
            I don't have an attitude. You aren't hearing what you want to hear. I still say your receiver is mid '53 but believe what you want to believe. I'm done. Do your home work and do it some where other than the internet. Read books, write letters, and hope you get answers back like I did in the days before the 'net. Your serial number is too early for '54 production.
            Jon

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            • slaw0001
              slaw0001 commented
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              Im not interested in the worth of the gun, i makes no difference to me. I have other "experts telling me its a 54 production" who is correct? No way to know that. Thanks.

            • slaw0001
              slaw0001 commented
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              Ok your done. Thanks.

            • slaw0001
              slaw0001 commented
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              Are you serious? Wow Please dont post to my questions. Ill look on the internet if i so desire my friend. I cant believe you said that LoL

            #10
            Thank you for posting photos. Your rifle does not have an arsenal rebuild marking on receiver leg. Be advised barrel dates do not indicate when the receiver was made. Have you checked that the clip latch, sight base, op rod catch, follower, and gas plug are IHC? Also what type gas cylinder lock does it have? IHC M1 Garands are a world of their own. I suggest you read Scott Duff's book I referenced and Bruce Canfield's Nov 2015 article in American Rifleman "Cold War Warrior.

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            • slaw0001
              slaw0001 commented
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              Yes ii Understand barrel dates are not an indicator. The serial number indicates 53 manufactor the drawing number indicates 54 date.

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              #12
              All above mentioned parts are IHC the oprod is not, trigger housing I’d SA dated 1943 and trigger guard is milled WRA dated 1943

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                #13
                Here’s is a rundown. IHC : stock dated 1952/ receiver serial number dates to mid 1953/ receiver draw number dates 1954. How is that possible. Sights, bolt (dates to 1954) trigger housing is SA dates to 1943, trigger guard dates to 1943. All else appears to be IHC

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                • slaw0001
                  slaw0001 commented
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                  garandstand website says that in Jul 1954 SA made 10000 triggers and 18800 oprods for IHC??? Is this true?

                #14
                Sir, welcome to the forum. We are all here to help but you can attract more flies with honey than vinegar
                It is not unusual to find rifles that have not been through a rebuild to be a mixture of parts .You said " trigger housing is SA dates to 1943, trigger guard dates to 1943. All else appears to be IHC " Do you know how to identify all of the other parts that are not stamped by manufacture? It take years of studying and handling original rifles and talking nicely to other collectors to gain this knowledge

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                • slaw0001
                  slaw0001 commented
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                  Yes and Im sure its not a correct IHC. I suppose Ill have to do my research in another format.

                • slaw0001
                  slaw0001 commented
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                  Talking nicely???? your joking right? TJT talked to me like im a four year old

                • slaw0001
                  slaw0001 commented
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                  I came oh this forum for information and nothing more and the first response I get is from a jerk. Thanks alot

                #15
                Good luck with your search

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