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    Questions about my 1943 M1 Garand

    I have 3 M1 Garands. A 1943 and 2 1944's. One of the 44's is a SA 6585448 4 65 y85 P M re-barrel. The 1943 is an all original rifle I think. I have made a list of all of the parts that I can find. Can anyone help me determine if it is indeed an original rifle? Also, the rear of the front sight has a plug of some sort that isn't removable with a wrench or regular tool?? Any help would be appreciated.

    #2
    Yes Please post the data sheet you made. Your front sight has a cap over the front sight screw. It left the armory that way.

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      #3
      Hopefully this can be read. Click image for larger version

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        #4
        By the way, I have all 3 of the M1 Garand bayonets and scabbards. They were relatively hard to find and apparently made of precious metal lol.

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          #5
          Original rifles are scarcer than hen's teeth. My gut is that it may be "corrected" but finding an original is nigh-on impossible. Without an expert, hands-on inspection, we can only speculate. Remember too, a rifle is only "original" ONCE--the day it leaves the armory. Good luck in your endeavor. Keep us posted.
          Jon

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          • NAM67-68
            NAM67-68 commented
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            Thanks Jon. Do you think that the plug would have been removed from the front sight if refurbished or is it possible that someone put a plug in it to make it look original?

          #6
          There are original WW2 M1 rifles around, just like the Model 1911A1 pistols and M1 carbines that came back from WW2 without paperwork. People are often hesitant about posting photos or talking about them but they are around. There is an excellent example on another forum about the USMC Iwo Jima M1 rifle serial number 2020049 with documentation.

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            1943’s. Click image for larger version

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              NAM,
              There are still plugged sight gas cylinders available but they are exceeding rare and expen$ive when found. It would be nigh-on impossible to replace the seal without the proper tool and not crush it. You can"t just use a hammer and punch to install one. As I said, there are originals around but without verifiable provenance, originality will be hard to prove.
              Jon

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                #9
                Just so you don't try it and hurt yourself, it is possible to install either an original (remember the 1941 dated envelope with sight seal) or a reproduction without the special tool. The fakers also been doing it for many years too and without the special tool

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                • NAM67-68
                  NAM67-68 commented
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                  Mine came with the plug and the parts listed above. I am going to try to find someone knowledgeable in my area that can say yes or no to it being original. I have had it for several years.

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                Nam67-68
                Could you post photos of you interesting M1 Garand. Scott Duff's book "The M1 Garand: World War II" page # 225 has a data sheet for serial number 1166440. It is also a Jan 1943 M1 Garand. The data you provided matches the data sheet for 1166440. Sorry it took me so long to reply but I can only type with one finger on my right hand and I had a busy weekend around the house.
                Last edited by RDS; 12-03-2018, 12:15 AM.

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                • NAM67-68
                  NAM67-68 commented
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                  No problem. I have to get to work. What areas of the rifle are you interested in?

                #11
                Originally posted by NAM67-68 View Post
                By the way, I have all 3 of the M1 Garand bayonets and scabbards. They were relatively hard to find and apparently made of precious metal lol.
                How is the 16" and 10" bayonets marked? Is the other bayonet a M5 or a M5A1?

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                • NAM67-68
                  NAM67-68 commented
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                  10" NON CUT DOWN. AFH U (BOMB) S the SCABBARD HAS A LARGE BOMB with US IN THE MIDDLE. The 10" CUT DOWN UFH U O S 1942. TOP OF THE O HAS 4 WAVY VERTICAL LINES. Back side has U.C.-MOD The U is faint and maybe something else. The scabbard appears to be cut down to fit the bayonet with a cap made of one piece of steel and attached by machine to the scabbard. The 16" scabbard has the bomb with U.S. in the middle of it. The bayonet has the small bomb on one side and UFH U O S W/ the 4 vertical wavy lines above the O and 1942. The cut down 16" blade has the blood grooves to the tip, whereas the Mfg. 10" does not.

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                  #13
                  UFH--Union Fork & Hoe. One of the more, if not most, commonly encountered bayonets. Nice addition to your collection.
                  Jon

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                    Nam67-68
                    Photos of op rod where handle meets tube, gas cylinder. stock both sides including cartouche, rear sights, barrel markings and trigger group.

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