Early November 1940

[Moorem1s]

Miss November 1940 is almost complete.

[Moorem1s]

Not many of these around.....and pricey.

[Moorem1s]

Front end with seal.

[Moorem1s]

Stock is real...stamps are not.

[Moorem1s]

Trigger group.

[Moorem1s]

Still need the correct follower and follower arm. Those with more knowledge than I, say I need an unmarked 4 follower and a flatback type 2 arm to be correct. The search continues. My original type 2 rod is awaiting a keystone spring from Bubba1.

[Moorem1s]

Her belly...

[Moorem1s]

Still looking for and need original flush nut sights minus cover, type 2 or later flatback arm, early unmarked type 4 follower. I might use an unmarked type 3 follower and early flatback until I come across the others.

[RCS]

suggestion: the trigger housing parts - hammer spring, plunger and housing should be in the white like the Lend Lease rifles - the late operating rod catch appears in the 46K to 50K serial range (Billy Pyle's "The Gas Trap Garand" book) and doubt the early op rod catch would be found in your 78K

[Moorem1s]

Thanks Robert. That's an easy fix as I have the trigger housing parts. Cannot believe I overlooked that! I'll update the op rod catch also. That's why I posted them up,your sharp eye is comforting.

[m14brian]

RCS is the man!
m14brian

[Moorem1s]

Okay Robert, I've double checked my trigger group. I completely agree the photo makes the hammer spring, plunger and housing look a greenish tint. It's either an early photo and I've already corrected it, or the lighting in that picture is that bad and not showing the correct color. The current hammer spring, plunger and housing are definitely in the white now,as I pulled it and checked. Now a couple questions/ observations. I'm going off data in Duff's book for WW2 garands. The data sheet I look at for comparison is for serial 79115- the one pulled and shown to FDR on 30 October 1940. It says -6SA safety with no hole, but you say a 4SA is more appropriate? It also says early op rod catch and single bevel follower arm. I'm guessing the single bevel arm should say flatback, as we know it now, but why does it list the early op rod catch all the way to serial 199123? I'm guessing this is my confusion. I am also aware of the discussion you posted on 1940 restorations using the correct follower and slide. Again, if one were going off Duff's book, I can see the confusion since he also lists the early follower up to serial 199123. What was Duff calling early? Tophat? Unmarked 4? I understand at the time, Duff was going off the information available at the time. Can you point me to another source for data sheets for rifles around that serial range? Again, thanks for your help. I'm just trying to get this right and learn all I can.

[RCS]

There is somewhat of a problem here, I have a copy received from Scott Duff, of the original data sheet of 79115 the FDR rifle. Duff states on the data sheet that both the operating rod and trigger group are obviously incorrect. On this data sheet the follower is marked ? the follower arm ? and the op rod catch is ? also noted that it is without the comp spring too. The stock is also without markings.

Duff did not know about the revision 4 follower and also thought that the follower arms with the single bevel was used - they did not know about the single bevel follower arms with the bevel and without the bevel on the front legs at this time. If you used a revision 6 safety it would be alright but you do need a flat back follower arm, late op rod catch and revision 4 follower. Also your butt plate pattern should be like the Lend Lease rifles

The data on 79115 in his book had to be an educated guess at that point in time, you can not depend on his 1940 data as correct, it was the best available at that point in time. Perhaps he should
have updated it over the years but he did not.

It takes years to collect data sheets on known correct rifles and some of these are not always correct

[Moorem1s]

Yes, it appears you have information not listed on what I was looking at. This is the data sheet I was looking at in Duff's book.

[Moorem1s]

Can you show me a photo of the buttplate pattern I need? Thanks again. Would you have an extra flat back follower arm, late op rod catch and revision 4 follower for sale?